Frozen (formerly The Snow Queen) - Part II
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Well, i dunno Disney Duster. Never cared about that beautiful hymn precisely. There are so many spiritual symbols in the original tale. It's a story about Evil against Good, roses versus ice flowers, spring against winter, Devil against God angels, child innocence against cold... I wish they could use all those wonderful symbols... BUT
Clearly Disney focuses on the snow queen character, trying to explain us where she comes from, why she became the snow queen, who she is, creating a whole fascinating background : Elsa, her royal family, her secret, her destiny, her sister, her exile, and how she became cold and stark...
I guess Disney scenarists have been stuck for a very long time because of the two children friends theme, and the male figure (kay) being trapped and inactive during the whole story.
So they decide to make the girl and the boy meet DURING the travel.
They change the "girl saves boy" quest for something more ambitious and original : the girl wants to save the whole kingdom from destruction now, and the snow queen herself, because it's her sister. Here are all the new symbols, plus the emotional sister stuff, the accepting who you are theme, and the power of love bringing you back to your family, etc... Those themes are enough. We won't have the God and Angels themes, too abstract. But i still hope we will have some roses, somes gipsies or even that blasted mirror, maybe in Elsa's palace (like a Ursula crystal ball or Beast window open to the outside world ?)
Clearly Disney focuses on the snow queen character, trying to explain us where she comes from, why she became the snow queen, who she is, creating a whole fascinating background : Elsa, her royal family, her secret, her destiny, her sister, her exile, and how she became cold and stark...
I guess Disney scenarists have been stuck for a very long time because of the two children friends theme, and the male figure (kay) being trapped and inactive during the whole story.
So they decide to make the girl and the boy meet DURING the travel.
They change the "girl saves boy" quest for something more ambitious and original : the girl wants to save the whole kingdom from destruction now, and the snow queen herself, because it's her sister. Here are all the new symbols, plus the emotional sister stuff, the accepting who you are theme, and the power of love bringing you back to your family, etc... Those themes are enough. We won't have the God and Angels themes, too abstract. But i still hope we will have some roses, somes gipsies or even that blasted mirror, maybe in Elsa's palace (like a Ursula crystal ball or Beast window open to the outside world ?)
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In France the movie will be called 'Frozen: La Reine des Neiges' which translates to 'Frozen: The Snow Queen'.
Source: Disney Central Plaza
What an odd choice. What's the point of having both titles?
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What an odd choice. What's the point of having both titles?
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September 27, 2012
Source: http://www.edgeonthenet.com/entertainme ... g_gravity_What [Idina Menzel] is also excited about is having a role in the new Disney animated feature "Frozen," which she is currently fitting into her busy schedule.
"I was working on a song yesterday that was written for my character. I love the project. It is really such a big deal for me. It’s a landmark in my career to be in a Disney animated movie. My son won’t be old enough to really kind of get it, but he will eventually. And being someone that loves to work in a recording studio, I just love the whole process. It’s an art form that I love - being in front of that mike, working in a studio, not worrying what you look like it."
Has she seen her animated character?
"Yes," she said laughing. "It’s wild, but I haven’t seen that much of it. They keep playing with it. I’m not sure it will resemble me, if at all. It’s just so cool. And to be involved in it from the early on, is such an honor to watch these genius guys come up with these ideas and to see them work."
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Well, we're September the 30th and we still have nothing for our ears and eyes, but in a way, i love that moment, so perfectly empty, where all is possible, all can be imagined, because all what can happen from now on is revelations, and the following days are going to be amazing... Do u realize all what is waiting for us ?
- first official logo
- voice cast of Kristoff, Olaf, Sven
- official picture of characters
- first official picture of the ice palace
- revelation of other characters
- first tunes of the soundtrack, maybe snippet of a song
- first teaser with the atmosphere Disney marketing chooses (Narnia type ? Ice Age type ? )
- first whole trailer
Ralph will be on screen in only ONE month, so, Frozen things are surely going to bloom here and there during the next weeks ! Keep calm and wired and full of hope ! Get your ears and eyes ready and don't let 'em be deceived !
- first official logo
- voice cast of Kristoff, Olaf, Sven
- official picture of characters
- first official picture of the ice palace
- revelation of other characters
- first tunes of the soundtrack, maybe snippet of a song
- first teaser with the atmosphere Disney marketing chooses (Narnia type ? Ice Age type ? )
- first whole trailer
Ralph will be on screen in only ONE month, so, Frozen things are surely going to bloom here and there during the next weeks ! Keep calm and wired and full of hope ! Get your ears and eyes ready and don't let 'em be deceived !
It only sounds weird because the English title precedes the French one. Glacée: La Reine des neiges or Congelée: La Reine des neiges rolls of the tongue much better. I must admit that's not a bad logic behind titling a movie (single-word adjective + subtitle), something I feel could have been used for other Disney titles as well. That way, Disney could have its cake and eat it too. Just imagine: Tangled: The Story of Rapunzel, Frozen: The Snow Queen.Sotiris wrote:In France the movie will be called 'Frozen: La Reine des Neiges' which translates to 'Frozen: The Snow Queen'.
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What an odd choice. What's the point of having both titles?
France to the rescue once more!
Apparently, they are not that worried that they'll frighten male audiences in France. France and Germany did the same with Tangled (Raiponce + Rapunzel)
I hope they do something similar over here.. I didn't particularly like that they didn't translate Brave's name and Frozen in Greek (as-is) would sound stupid.
Apparently, they are not that worried that they'll frighten male audiences in France. France and Germany did the same with Tangled (Raiponce + Rapunzel)
I hope they do something similar over here.. I didn't particularly like that they didn't translate Brave's name and Frozen in Greek (as-is) would sound stupid.
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This is not the first time overseas territories kept both the 'hip' new title and the original one.
Also for Brave some countries kept the English title along with a translation of the title in their language.
Russia: Рапунцель - Запутанная история
Italy: Rapunzel - L'intreccio della torre
Germany: Rapunzel - Neu verföhnt
Also for Brave some countries kept the English title along with a translation of the title in their language.
Portugal: Brave - Indomável
Italy: Ribelle - The Brave
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Time will tell whether these changes are good or not. Not all changes are for the better (Exhibit A: Chicken Little). That said, unless WIR tanks, I’m sure this film will do well commercially. Fairy tales are in right now and Disney seems to be at the start of a successful streak. Besides, sacrificing the title shows Disney is not going to let this fail.
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Oh yes, we saw many, many beautiful and clever changes, switching and new ideas in all their adaptations... and that's why we love their versions (Howard and Greno did such a fabulous job with Rapunzel, just exchanging the lovers social origins, just changing the lettuce into a flower, explaining us why the girl's hair is so long and why the witch locks her, and just imagining what happens when she leaves the tower)qindarka wrote:Disney movies have been going way off course from the source material for decades, since The Jungle Book at least.
But we NEVER, NEVER saw such changes, that's Huge and Historical ! The plot is totally changed, it's another story now, the family story of the snow queen, far apart little Kay and little Gerda episod. For the first time, they use nothing from the original material ( but the palace, the snow queen and the reindeer, and the icy journey theme). Characters disappear, change names (even the very famous popular names every one knows and loves (Kay, Gerda...)), some are replaced or exchanged. I realize they decently can't name the movie "The Snow Queen", in any language.
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I don't consider the changes to Mermaid or Aladdin drastic, or even unreasonable for a Disney film. Whereas The Snow Queen tale nearly doesn't exist now in Disney's version. They could have just as easily have said this was an adapatation of Lewis' The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe for all the changes they make.
The Jungle Book comparison was better-made.
The Jungle Book comparison was better-made.
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Yeah, that was my initial thought to.toonaspie wrote:Am I the only one not really bothered by the title changed anymore since the plot of this movie has gone waaaay off the course from the original source material that it barely qualifies to be a Snow Queen adaptation? At least Tangled was mostly Rapunzel with minor changes.
The film is virtually an original story, to call it The Snow Queen would almost mislead fans of the Anderson tale.
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But, like Edthehyena, I wonder when anything substantial will be released. I feel like we got a lot more concept art for TP&TF and Tangled at this point. Not that it matters, but I'm curious what Elsa will look like.
Listening to most often lately:
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The first images are finally here!
Concept art (& puppet) of Olaf:
Storyboard of Elsa and Anna:
Source http://disney.go.com/disneyinsider/gall ... tination-d
Concept art (& puppet) of Olaf:
Storyboard of Elsa and Anna:
Source http://disney.go.com/disneyinsider/gall ... tination-d